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Posted by thegirls on 20-Oct-2010 20:21 Report
WARNING TO SELLERS OF PANDORA STYLE BEADS AND BRACELETS
WARNING!!! If any of your bracelets or beads have Pandora stamped on them get rid of them, do not list them! This includes Pandora on the clasps. Do not have the word Pandora in the title or sub-title of your listing!
PLEASE READ THE THREAD REFERING TO THIS PROBLEM IN THIS SECTION AND IN GENERAL SECTION

"SELLERS OF PANDORA STYLE JEWELLERY! URGENT"
 
Replied by flyingfoxy on 20-Oct-2010 20:28 (Ref 2216113) Report
Unless they are genuine Pandora ofcourse.
Replied by ozcontactlens on 20-Oct-2010 20:32 (Ref 2216116) Report
They cant stop you if you were selling your personal Pandora bracelet etc.....could they?(genuine Pandora)
Replied by issabella10 on 20-Oct-2010 20:37 (Ref 2216122) Report
I'd say it only relates to fake Pandora items , although when you read the eBay listings some of the genuine items now state they have purchase records etc . That would be hard to do if it was a gift , but you can easily have it authenticated at a Pandora outlet.

Maybe counterfeit items are finally being looked at .

Replied by thegirls on 20-Oct-2010 20:49 (Ref 2216130) Report
Hi,
yes I am refering to the fake Pandora bracelets and beads. I have just been dragged over the coals by Pandora and oztion assisted them, as they are commited to.
Clauds
Replied by feelin-couture on 20-Oct-2010 21:37 (Ref 2216168) Report
I think even if authentic you still can't list its the same as GHD and the now broke HA Ed Hardy
Replied by rubyrose on 20-Oct-2010 21:44 (Ref 2216180) Report
HAve you seen the links for 3 Pandora outlets on the top of this post. Strange that advertising for Pandora is actually allowed by Oztion under the circumstances
Did anyone else see it/
cheers
Replied by boo512 on 20-Oct-2010 22:00 (Ref 2216196) Report
rubyrose, it's not a coincidence, those ads are determined by the topic of conversation in the thread they appear on, they are designed to catch the eye at a time when you are already thinking about that subject.
Replied by dtfonehome on 20-Oct-2010 23:46 (Ref 2216250) Report
You'd think the one on the right would be able to spell Pandora correctly......................


oops, now it's on the left...........
Replied by dezirable-books on 21-Oct-2010 11:19 (Ref 2216355) Report
Interesting DT, there must be more than 3 ads and they are rotating them, because all the ones up there at the moment have Pandora spelt correctly, but one has Hugh Range of Pandora Style Beads and Bracelet, lol

ahhh, yes, just saw it....methinks they may not be genuine, lol
Replied by bargain-bin-treasures on 21-Oct-2010 16:09 (Ref 2216548) Report

Just had 5 listed items pulled, I called them Pandora Style, so just using the word is enough for a wrist slap.

Am I seeing things, the message box is blue?????
Replied by jewellery-is-me on 21-Oct-2010 16:41 (Ref 2216585) Report
I had 13 listings pulled for using the words pandora style as well, they could of at least put them into unsold so we could edit them........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Replied by sonia888cat on 21-Oct-2010 17:02 (Ref 2216597) Report
The other day when I looked there was about 3500 listings when searching "pandora".

Now there is 365 !
Replied by bargain-bin-treasures on 21-Oct-2010 17:27 (Ref 2216621) Report
That's what annoyed me, not giving us a chance to edit them, can't be bothered re-listing at this stage.
Replied by dtfonehome on 22-Oct-2010 00:23 (Ref 2216839) Report
ahhh, yes, just saw it.... - You know Dezirable, I thought that ad was rather comical, advertising Pandorra beads in a thread where someone has been directed to return fake Pandora beads and quit using the Pandora name to promote them.

If the (said) ad has disappeared, someone needs to keep their finger on the button to make sure that doesn't happen too often otherwise we'll have admin being investigated.











arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - who stole the emoticons?.............:(
Replied by dutchmiranda on 22-Oct-2010 14:10 (Ref 2217070) Report
Replied by jewellery-is-me on 21-Oct-2010 16:41 (Ref 2216585) Report
I had 13 listings pulled for using the words pandora style as well, they could of at least put them into unsold so we could edit them........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I agree. I had about 40 taken away. so far I have relisted 4 (without the forbidden word of course )
Replied by desired-things on 22-Oct-2010 17:56 (Ref 2217206) Report
I also had listings removed, I rang Pandora and in fact its not JUST the use of the word Pandora in any context that they are clamping down on but ALSO any item that resembles anything they make eg. the Tibetan Girl, boy, rocking horse, tortoise etc even Glass Beads if the have a similar design - which of course is most of them. They suggested to me that I take a look at their website where all their things are listed and make sure nothing we sell is the same as they have - otherwise we are selling counterfeit products.
I don't know what happens in these situations but I don't intend to find out so I won't be using the "P" word anymore and when I looked at their website heaps of my items were the same as theirs so I won't be putting them on the market anymore!!!!!!!!!
We probably all buy these products from the same country and I wonder if anyone ever stops them from flooding the auction site markets with their mass produced fakes?
Replied by dutchmiranda on 22-Oct-2010 20:18 (Ref 2217281) Report
Guess I am lucky there that most of my beads look nothing like the pandore ones. I have a bracelet (a real one lol) so look at the real beads regularly. I can understand that they are trying to fight it and that if they are copies that they consider them to be 'fake' . I just will not use their name. I just wish that I could just edit
Replied by dancingdolphin8 on 22-Oct-2010 20:48 (Ref 2217294) Report
Bugger!
I have been out of the loop for awhile, changed listings so no mention of Pandora, but now we can't sell the Tibetan ones at all. Looks like the grandchildren & there friends will get them to play with. Will now have to pull most of mine too. I give up!
Replied by thegirls on 22-Oct-2010 22:40 (Ref 2217328) Report
Hi,
you think you have it bad! I had 142 listings pulled. If you put their item number in the search function they appear as if still listed but you can't find them in your own selling? I also received instructions from their law department.
Clauds
Replied by ejholden on 22-Oct-2010 23:25 (Ref 2217344) Report
 ALSO any item that resembles anything they make

Hmmmm ..... I'm no Lawyer but I'd be having a chat with someone from the ACCC if I were you.
Copyright is one thing, similarities are definitely another.
If that were the case, you wouldn't be able to sell round, black, inflatable things for cars because Michelin made them ......

To me that sounds like someone is overstepping their authority.
Replied by thegirls on 25-Oct-2010 20:10 (Ref 2218562) Report
Hi again,
luckily most of my stuff doesn't resemble Pandora charms so I was only warned about the wording I was using.
Clauds
Replied by dtfonehome on 26-Oct-2010 00:00 (Ref 2218640) Report
Well, Clauds, they've missed a few as there are still some listed using the wording "Pandora style", best they pull their fingers out or the crooks will be running away with the site soon..............
Replied by dichroiccreations on 30-Oct-2010 10:59 (Ref 2220554) Report
 I haven't been to the boards for a few weeks...just reading this thread this morning...wow what a major headache for all of you sellers and the relisting too.
Mandy xxx
Replied by rahotep on 30-Oct-2010 11:16 (Ref 2220566) Report
 Hi 

What someone needs to do is to register a company name using the Pandora, as Pandora was a person in Greek Mythology and the name can not be copyrighted, combinations can. I would love to see the Pandora Company fight that one in the courts, they would loose because the name is generic. 

Maybe some-one out there is named Pandora. Under the law you can use your name as a company name, so there is another opportunity. 
Harrods tried suing a couple in NZ for trading as Harrods, but they lost the case as the persons surname was Harrods. 

These company that try to create a monopoly have to be stopped, people have a right to conduct business. Those thread on type of beads it can be argued have been around for thousands of years in all materials and metal. 
Regards

Rahotep
Replied by rahotep on 30-Oct-2010 11:16 (Ref 2220567) Report
 Hi 

What someone needs to do is to register a company name using the Pandora, as Pandora was a person in Greek Mythology and the name can not be copyrighted, combinations can. I would love to see the Pandora Company fight that one in the courts, they would loose because the name is generic. 

Maybe some-one out there is named Pandora. Under the law you can use your name as a company name, so there is another opportunity. 
Harrods tried suing a couple in NZ for trading as Harrods, but they lost the case as the persons surname was Harrods. 
Also unless you deliberately tried to sell an item as a Pandora original, and did it for fraudulent purposes, then you would have trouble. But the Pandora Company would have to prove this. Do not let the multi-nationals threaten or scare or badger you. 

These company that try to create a monopoly have to be stopped, people have a right to conduct business. Those thread on type of beads it can be argued have been around for thousands of years in all materials and metal. 
Regards

Rahotep
Replied by manuteapearls on 30-Oct-2010 14:30 (Ref 2220671) Report
YEP! Those threaded beads were around when the Vikings were! Not sure if they invented them - they were skilled craftsmen.

But Rahotep is correct, in saying that they have been around for thousands of years....

Manu  :-)
Replied by milliemco on 30-Oct-2010 21:26 (Ref 2220870) Report
 You are right Manu, The Nordic crafts men invented and developed the first threaded jewellery, the simplicity of their design and methodology is interesting.
They had no thread cutting facility as thread tooling had not been invented, their method of doing it is still valid today, I use their method frequently.
 
Steps :- get two lengths of silver wire for example 1mm diameter wire, wind both wires next to each other around a 3 mm silver wire, for the out side use a 5 mm silver tube. Carefully separate the two wires by unscrewing them. cover the 3 mm wire with copper solution ( Dissolved blue stone or copper sulphate) let it dry do this two or three times,do the same to the inside of the 5 mm tube. keeping the spacing of the wire coils slide one inside the tube and one over the 3mm wire  gently heat to approx 750 deg c both items. the Vikings used charcoal as a fuel. 


The thread concept was then further developed in general engineering  during the industrial revolution.

George
Replied by thegirls on 30-Oct-2010 22:23 (Ref 2220895) Report
Hi,
I posted the original thread. I am amazed at the information that has been written by various members. Think of what kind of a successful company we could run if we joined forces! I bags the CEO position but I would be more than happy to go out as the undercover boss!
Clauds
By the way I'm looking for a book agent. No really, I am.
Replied by Admin on 02-Nov-2010 14:57 (Ref 2222083) Report
Hi Guys

PANDORA Jewelry have requested we post the following to address all queries:

PANDORA has made it a top priority to stop trademark infringement, patent infringement and to minimize the amount of counterfeit PANDORA items being sold worldwide.

From advice from our internal legal department, The word PANDORA is a registered trademark and can therefore not be used for selling jewelry or accessories to jewelry which are not made by PANDORA.

When using the word PANDORA in the listing titles, customers can easily be mislead to believing that this is indeed a genuine piece of PANDORA jewelry. This is therefore considered trademark infringement.

This means that no catch phrases, promotional or marketing phrases using the PANDORA trademark can be used, either stand-alone or in combined phrases like Pandora Style, Fits PANDORA, for, 4 PANDORA, suit or like. This goes for any headlines, product names or titles. The use of the trademark PANDORA stand-alone and in combined phrases is only accepted in general customer information describing in long text the products offered, e.g. our products fits the PANDORA bracelets (This must be put in the description not title) The PANDORA trademark and / or the name PANDORA may not be used in marketing unless for genuine articles. It may not be used as the reference that attracts consumer attention. Notwithstanding this, no PANDORA figure marks or logos can be used in any way.

PANDORA takes trademark infringement very seriously. Removing infringing listings online (both trademark and counterfeit) is just one of several initiatives. All sellers who infringe the PANDORA brand will be contacted in the months to come, so we aim to see a significant decrease in numbers of listings with our name.

Warm regards
OZtion Admin
Replied by manuteapearls on 02-Nov-2010 17:08 (Ref 2222189) Report
The use of the trademark PANDORA stand-alone and in combined phrases is only accepted in general customer information describing in long text the products offered, e.g. our products fits the PANDORA bracelets (This must be put in the description not title)

So you can say that it fits Pandora bracelets - just not in the Title.

Manu  :-)      (Not a Pandora Seller)
Replied by dtfonehome on 02-Nov-2010 19:47 (Ref 2222333) Report
Whoever the person is/was who wrote the rules on the usage of the word 'Pandora' should go and get a job at the Franklins factory, picking flysh*t outta pepper..........................'cos the above explanation is really taking pendanticism to the limit.
Replied by thegirls on 02-Nov-2010 20:30 (Ref 2222367) Report
Hi,
I have already changed my title & sub-titles, at least I don't have to go in and change all my descriptions!
Clauds
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