Posted by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 20:04 Report
Sellers ~ if you dont want MAKE AN OFFER please remove it from your listings!!!!
Just a note to sellers, if you dont want MAKE AN OFFER, please remove it from your listings!

Today I came across an item for $14.95  Buy It Now $18.95 and BID NOW, so you do not know when the auction will end.
I put an offer for $14, which was declined, and the seller responded would accept $16, which is more than the starting price.
I did  not think that to be offensive to make that offer! Nowhere near the 40% mentioned in site rules!

Anyway I checked online at JB and bought it for $15.98 so his loss not mine, free post as well, and I dont have to worry what Zone it is as not in listing, absolutely zero in description area, I had to ask the question. Or whether its pirated.

Oh well at least I know I will get my item safely. But I did want to encourage a new seller by purchasing from him. Marian
 
Replied by brightmore on 29-Nov-2011 20:28 (Ref 2322643) Report
I agree!!!!!!!!!!
Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 20:32 (Ref 2322644) Report
Thank you brightmore, its the first and last time i will ever make an offer!
And the Bid Now with no ending time is also a big turn off to me. Marian
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 20:34 (Ref 2322645) Report
Hi Marian, how are you going? Well done on getting the same item at JB plus free postage too. I dont thinks its offensive, especially when your offer price was only 95 cents less than the bidding price. Even though I accept make an offer between bidding and buy it now price only, I still wouldve accepted your offer, as its only $1.00 less. I also wouldve been happy as its also a sale!!!  I dont like the Bid Now option. I think it should be removed, as I prefer to know when the auction ends. Cheers marie
Replied by charlotte on 29-Nov-2011 20:36 (Ref 2322647) Report
Glad you got what you were looking for at a similar price
:O)

Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 20:49 (Ref 2322649) Report
Thats nice charlotte, hope you enjoy it. No time did I mention what the item was and its not in my watch list, so maybe you know, or are, the seller. Really I dont care anyway!
Oh and by the way , I prefer white dogs,Marian
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 21:03 (Ref 2322650) Report
No marian, I am not the seller lol!
Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 21:07 (Ref 2322651) Report
No I didnt mean you Marie! LOL, Marian
Replied by dezirable-books on 29-Nov-2011 21:09 (Ref 2322652) Report
I would have accepted an offer from you
I'm up to offerer/buyer 278 and have accepted 90% I'd reckon .
Some of the ones I rejected came with little messages asking me to please accept the offer and add free post to boot , the others I missed due to the listing ending within minutes of the offer being made
Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 21:14 (Ref 2322654) Report
Thank you DB. I really dont care anyway, the price is normal shop price, not a bargain anyway, and I ended up getting it for less at JB online, I am just letting new sellers know, the feature is an option, not an essential, and the option is to not have it. Marian
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 21:14 (Ref 2322655) Report
Thanks Marian lol!.  Free postage as well is asking for abit much??? Now thats affensive.!!!
Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 21:16 (Ref 2322656) Report
Postage was also free with the seller, same as with JB, Marian
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 21:22 (Ref 2322666) Report
Regardless of whether or not they said that the postage is free, I still think that making an offer of 95c less than the bidding price, shouldntve been rejected. Its still a sale that the seller didnt have in the first place. cheers marie
Replied by throughthelookingglass on 29-Nov-2011 21:27 (Ref 2322674) Report
I have MAO on any item with a Buy It Now price. That's how it works here on Quicksales. Sometimes, on popular items, I add a rider that offers under the auction start price will not be accepted on Auction/BIN items. 

Most of the time I'm happy to accept offers. I can't think of the last time I refused one. Some offerers buy more items or become regular customers. 

With regards to Marian's post... Does that mean he wouldn't sell had you won the item at the start bid? Just wondering on a moot point, seeing as you have purchased similar elsewhere online.  Cheers, TTLG.
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 21:36 (Ref 2322680) Report
Hey Karon, how are you going? Karon you made a very good point....!!!

Does that mean he wouldn't sell had you won the item at the start bid?
Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 21:38 (Ref 2322681) Report
Thats also a thought Karon & Marie, as who knows when the item will end, and I did want it for Christmas, well at least I know I will get it now.Marian
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 21:40 (Ref 2322682) Report
Marian, does this person have a make an offer policy in their policy?
Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 21:45 (Ref 2322683) Report
No not at all, Marian
Replied by straybooksoz on 29-Nov-2011 22:16 (Ref 2322687) Report
Generally, my ASP is my minimum price. So if you'd have offered me $14.95 Marian, I would have accepted it. If I saw it in time.

Unless it's changed the allowable MAO is 30% of BIN, which is ridiculously low, IMO. And where most of my offers seem to be. Even 40% imposed by QS doesn't make it viable for the seller.
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 22:26 (Ref 2322688) Report
piratepete  Hello stranger. How are you going? Long no hear. Hope you are well? We need more sales and rejecting one that was only 95c less than the bidding price is rediculous..Marian, I wouldve accepted your offer.. No problem!
Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 22:28 (Ref 2322689) Report
Well, hello stranger! Where ya been?
 If I had offered the $14.95 starting price I doubt it would have been accepted as the response said he would accept $16.
I really dont care its more about letting sellers know the feature is only an option, which no-one has to have if they dont want it. Marian

edit ~MARIE TYPES FASTER THAN ME!
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 22:37 (Ref 2322690) Report
LOL! @ Marian lol!
Replied by marian-48 on 29-Nov-2011 22:41 (Ref 2322691) Report


May everyone's battles be little tiny ones
& I will still be smiling!
Good night!
Marian
Replied by bratsnthings on 29-Nov-2011 22:57 (Ref 2322693) Report
Have a good sleep Marian..chat soon. xxx marie
Replied by boo512 on 29-Nov-2011 23:26 (Ref 2322695) Report
 What people tend to forget is that MAO is a one in all in thing, you can't pick and choose which items it is on, it's all or nothing.  So perhaps this seller has some items with sufficient margin to be able to accept offers and others that they can't.  I'll admit it seems strange that the counter offer was higher than the auction start price, but all the same, the seller has a right to decide for themselves whether to accept an offer or not.  And the simple act of rejecting an offer, does not mean the seller was insulted by the offer, simply that they weren't prepared to accept it.  Just something to think about.
Replied by guitar-hero-goddess on 30-Nov-2011 02:50 (Ref 2322701) Report
I don't think the seller making a counter offer between the auction start price and the buy it now price is being unreasonable at all, as was your own offer.
As someone mentioned, until we can pick and choose which items we can include as a 'make an offer', then we have to understand that some sellers won't be negotiate on price for certain items. I don't know how appropriate it is to announce your disapproval in here though, the seller was within his rights to refuse your offer, as is that your right to take your business elsewhere.
Replied by annieoakley2000 on 30-Nov-2011 08:07 (Ref 2322712) Report
I think the problem is that the "Make An Offer" feature is only available on ALL items and therefore rather confusing when there is an Auction starting price, Buy It Now AND Make An Offer, all in the same listing.

Perhaps it is a technical impossibility, but the Make An Offer feature should ideally be automatically turned off when a listing goes to Auction as it doesn't make a great deal of sense the way it is now .............

At the end of the day it was a very nice gesture to give a new Quicksales seller a chance to make a quick sale.

It certainly wasn't for lack of trying that it didn't happen ..............................
Replied by issabella10 on 30-Nov-2011 08:45 (Ref 2322714) Report
The seller may be from eBay where his items more then likely get numerous bids hence they probably feel they can get more then the offered price and rejected it.

If you want to know when a "Place a Bid" item ends just slot in into your watch list with a few other items and you'll get an idea when it ends.

The seller was completely within the terms of the MAO system as was your bid , so you could have just placed a bid on the starting price and more then likely have won it lower then your MAO price 

 
Replied by quickbuys on 30-Nov-2011 09:54 (Ref 2322723) Report
"its the first and last time i will ever make an offer!"
MariAn, don't be offended, it happend to me as well some time ago. imho make an offer means make an offer lower or higher then first bid.
Replied by boo512 on 30-Nov-2011 10:09 (Ref 2322727) Report

 Does that mean he wouldn't sell had you won the item at the start bid?

Of course not, it just means the seller believes the bidding may go higher than the start bid. There is nothing wrong with that, that's why many sellers have both a starting bid and a BN price, the BN price is what they are happy to get for the item, the start bid is just that, a starting point for the auction. We always hope there will be a bidding war and we will get more than the first bid, and in some cases it does happen and sometimes the end price exceeds the BN.  That's the way auctions work. The fact that the seller countered with a higher price than the start bid means he is putting the ball back into the buyer's court, pay the counter price or start the bidding and hope you don't get outbid.  

Replied by magnolia134 on 30-Nov-2011 10:40 (Ref 2322730) Report
If that is his hope, he's in for a rude awakening. The reality is, there are virtually no bidding wars here. It got to the point for me that having both an auction starting price and a Buy Now price was ludicrous, as 99.99% of the 2000+ items I have sold here have been sold on one bid.
Replied by boo512 on 30-Nov-2011 10:46 (Ref 2322733) Report
 Perhaps that is the case for you, but there are in fact quite a lot of bidding wars these days, it is still not the norm, but it does happen far more frequently than in the past.

I fear though, that the seller is always depicted as the villain in these situations.  Perhaps someone should start a thread entitled, "Buyers, if you are likely to be offended by rejection, please don't make offers."
Replied by magnolia134 on 30-Nov-2011 11:19 (Ref 2322741) Report
Hmm... if the Hot Bids section on the front page is suppsed to be a reflection of the bidding wars here, then yes, I suppose if there are 5 items out of the 600000+ items for sale here with more than 1 bid, and of the 5, FOUR of them are related to some sort of football (AFL or NRL) well yes, we've got bidding wars here.
Replied by gypsycat on 30-Nov-2011 11:26 (Ref 2322742) Report
 LOLOL
Replied by marian-48 on 30-Nov-2011 11:33 (Ref 2322743) Report
If I had bid at the starting bid I may not have received the item before Christmas as I did not know the end date.
Anyway I noticed the seller has accepted 2 offers at $15 and $16 each so its good for him to have sales.
I am not really offended boo, just shocked the responding offer was more than the starting price.
I have never made an offer before yet happily accept them, so were are all individuals who do what is best for us.
In saying this, I thought on-line auction sites were cheaper than in the shops, when in this case it is not.
The outcome is all good, I am happy I got what I wanted, be it elsewhere, and the seller is selling his items, so its all good. Marian
Replied by cdrhn on 30-Nov-2011 12:17 (Ref 2322752) Report
I'd have thought the auction start price was the minimum that the seller wanted for the item. If I was the seller I'd have rejected your offer too. 
Replied by dtfonehome on 30-Nov-2011 13:14 (Ref 2322760) Report
It might be a good idea to take 'jb online' out of your posts before the modsquad catches up with this thread.......................and then it'll go        POOF       
Replied by marian-48 on 30-Nov-2011 13:24 (Ref 2322761) Report
LOL dt, they can poof it, its all over & done now! Marian
Replied by ejholden on 01-Dec-2011 00:56 (Ref 2322815) Report
ROFLSHINWMP ......

On ya Marian.... 

It's always good to know that no matter how tired I am or how drained I feel, I can always come here & get a flamin' good laugh reading your posts .....



Replied by marian-48 on 01-Dec-2011 08:07 (Ref 2322824) Report
ej!!!! This was a serious post,
 

about 95 cents!
 
Not one of my silly Open Social ot Pet posts!
Long as everyone is happy it doesnt matter! Marian
Replied by ejholden on 01-Dec-2011 09:07 (Ref 2322842) Report
Stop pulling my leg, Marion ..... It tickles ......

Even you have posted in the forums that sellers should always open their auction with the lowest amount they are prepared to take. Obviously this seller has read and taken the advice of experienced members and listed at his lowest acceptable price & provided a buy now he would be please to get.

He is obviously open to offers in between these two amounts ......

Surely you can't expect me to sirryarsely believe that you are serious with your rant & rave .....    You couldn't be that petty over 95 cents ..... You aren't, are you????




NB: I hope that the item you purchased isn't one of the new drop shipped lines that JB now advise they are making available for people who are too cheap to pay for distributor warranty ......

Replied by marian-48 on 01-Dec-2011 09:23 (Ref 2322844) Report
No ej, not worried about the 95 cents , certainly not that petty!
Actually looking back it was probably rude to offer less than the starting price, I never make offers, just usualy buy.
Just a spur of the moment thing.
Long as the Grandkids watch it once it will sit in the cupboard like everything else, they only come over once a fortnight to stay, so not much time to watch movies. Marian
Replied by memyandi on 01-Dec-2011 11:27 (Ref 2322855) Report
Any new seller would have enough things to figure out on this site without even being aware that they've got MAO ticked, or how it works.  They possibly don't realise people can't see an end date for their auctions either.

So don't expect them to get it all right straight off!  If we want new sellers the last thing we need is forum posts having a go at them.
Replied by straybooksoz on 02-Dec-2011 00:12 (Ref 2322936) Report
Most (all I can remember) auctions have sold on one bid.

However, the last few items I've sold (to joined today, zero feedback members) have been at BIN.

Yay for Quicksales finally advertising.

Yay for me not imposing restrictions on buyers
Replied by dezirable-books on 02-Dec-2011 04:58 (Ref 2322939) Report
Yay to you pp for not throwing your eggs out of this basket
Replied by straybooksoz on 03-Dec-2011 21:23 (Ref 2323181) Report
Everything I list gets a run here for 8 months, Sandra.