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Posted by torty41 on 05-Oct-2011 13:29 Report
A great opportunity
Message to the owners of Quicksales

ebay is currently busily shooting themselves in the foot with their "Best Match" sorting of searches (this system is aimed at getting rid of sellers of second hand items) and there is a lot of discontent among many sellers. This is a terrific opportunity for Quicksales to put themselves on the map as a viable opposition.

However, this would mean you would have to mount an advertising campaign on mainstream TV to tell the general public that it exists.

If you are serious about making this site into a genuine contender, it must establish a presence in the population's consciousness.

You can have all the links on other sites, search engines etc with no effect. The only thing that reaches people is TV advertising. I know it is expensive but there is a reason for that.

IT WORKS.

Just have a look at the success of Gumtree since they have been advertising on TV. It is nothing more that a classified ad site like the Quokka or Trading Post but everyone knows about it  and people are selling a lot on there.

By comparison, mention Quicksales in any group and you will be lucky if one in fifty have heard of it.

Popularity is the only way to attract large, good sellers which, in turn addracts buyers. Television is the absolutely best way to achieve popularity.

So please, please, please bite the bullet and do some proper advertising and make this site the premier general selling site in Australia.

Tony
 
Replied by marian-48 on 05-Oct-2011 13:35 (Ref 2314389) Report
Contact quicksales as they dont usually read the forums. While a lot agree I doubt it will ever happen!
re Gumtree, I initially found it great for large items that could not be posted, then it died a sudden death, well in my area anyway. Marian
Replied by brightmore on 05-Oct-2011 13:40 (Ref 2314392) Report
Gumtree is certainly well known here and so should quicksales be as well known.
Replied by torty41 on 05-Oct-2011 13:41 (Ref 2314393) Report
I have also sent it to Admin Marian. I like to cover all bases.

As for it happening, we can only hope.

You're right about Gumtree. It isn't bad for things like fridges, washing machines, lawnmowers etc. My point was that it is known while Quicksales is not and at least, if it is well known then it is up to the sellers to make people want to buy.

Tony
Replied by classymanchester on 05-Oct-2011 13:49 (Ref 2314395) Report
 Gumtree is now owned by ebay thats why it is getting advertiesd.

Carsales gets advertised because it cost $60 to list a car for sale, so they have money to advertise.  No fees here means no advertising.  Carsales probably only bought this site to stop ebay getting it and down the track they will onsell it to ebay for a huge profit.

IMO opinion this will never be a great site for sales until ebay own it too.

Robyn
Replied by torty41 on 05-Oct-2011 14:01 (Ref 2314396) Report
I think we all know that ebay owns Gumtree which, I may add, also doesn't charge a listing fee but still gets advertised.

And pray they don't sell it to ebay or it will be closed within a week as they have done with other auctions they have bought.

Tony
Replied by quickbuys on 05-Oct-2011 14:51 (Ref 2314402) Report
"Message to the owners of Quicksales"
its up to them to save this site NOT up to the sellers, imho
Replied by Jewellery-Belle on 05-Oct-2011 14:58 (Ref 2314404) Report
 You are wasting your time even asking, all been tried many, many time's before, during Oztion time as well, although Oztion did make a small effort.
Replied by willster on 05-Oct-2011 15:15 (Ref 2314406) Report
Message to the owners of Quicksales

Sorry but you are just wasting your  time.........
Replied by montynonuts on 05-Oct-2011 15:59 (Ref 2314409) Report
Good Afternoon Everyone

I have just finished reading all the comments and I agree with you Tony to a point

I do not think we can even begin to compare Quicksales to Ebay simply because being an Australian site we do not have the same amount of traffic here as we only allow Australian and New Zealand sellers here

After working in retail for many years I think the problem lies not only with Quicksales but us sellers

I placed a wanted add a few days ago for what I thought was a simple item that I could of purchased quite easily on Ebay but decided to give Quicksales the sale and as yet I have had no replies

I guess what I am trying to say is we simply do not have the variety on here which no one is to blame for that

It is no ones fault that we have dozens of sellers selling the same stock
That does not include all the imitation items on here that are suppose to be genuine

I am trying to look from the outside as a prospective buyer and with over
500 000 items for sale eg I would like to purchase a leather handbag there are approximately 3032 of them for sale but I have my doubts how many of these are geniune

As a new buyer that would turn me away immediately

I guess in a nutshell all the advertising is not going to help this site unless we get more sellers selling more variety of genuine items to attract new buyers
Replied by marian-48 on 05-Oct-2011 16:30 (Ref 2314417) Report
Since the site has become a dumping ground for fakes its a real turn off! 
And the prices asked for them ranges from $60 to thousands of dollars!
Must be different quality of fakes.
More variety is definately needed.
However I can understand how sellers are no longer prepared to put effort into their selling here.
No point listing if the items cannot be found on a relatively unknown site!
As members we can only do so much, but I feel a site thats been running for 6 years should be much better known of. JMO. Marian
Replied by tasfamily on 05-Oct-2011 16:36 (Ref 2314421) Report
Segment on ABC 7.30 last night mentioned eBay and Gumtree, nothing about QuickSales.  It also mentioned that the Salvation Army is doing online selling through eBay.  Nice of them to support fees going overseas.  NOT 
Replied by franticfran17 on 05-Oct-2011 16:43 (Ref 2314423) Report
I don't think our section of carsales is about to get any advertising now or in the future. Our part is just a little side line for them.They are just not interested. jmho. Cheers Fran
Replied by take-your-fancy on 05-Oct-2011 17:27 (Ref 2314431) Report
How do we get new sellers offering genuine items for sale to this site if they have never heard of it ? 

Replied by torty41 on 05-Oct-2011 18:42 (Ref 2314439) Report
Firstly, almost every site is filled with fake items and, believe it or not, they sell. That's why they are listed. Simple market forces indicate that if they didn't sell they wouldn't be listed.

Monty, I also worked in retail for over forty years and agree with you to a point. The problem does lie largely with the type of seller and the lack of variety on this site.

However, I disagree with you that no one is to blame. It is fairly and squarely the various managements who have been at fault. By not ensuring that this site is very well known throughout Australia they have not attracted a variety of sellers because the buyers are not here. When it started I used to sell quite well but gradually the sellers of items other than mums and kids stuff disappeared and the buyers with them.

As for not knowing whether a handbag is real or fake, don't blame Quicksales for that. You would have the same problem wherever you looked apart from the manufacturer's website.

Again, the problem is that, apart from those that haunt chatboards and social media sites, the current methods of spreading the word just don't work and, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, there is only one way to achieve popularity.

TELEVISION ADVERTISING.

Tony
Replied by pashmina on 05-Oct-2011 18:46 (Ref 2314441) Report
I have just logged on and have seen some of the above comments....

I've dropped Admin a line as well...and maybe they will read the forums later on today or tomorrow andbe able to address some of your concerns.
Replied by torty41 on 05-Oct-2011 19:39 (Ref 2314448) Report
Thanks for the support Pashmina. My concerns will be addressed when I see the advertising appearing on mainstream television.

I find it actually amazing that this thread has been read by almost three hundred people but only about fifteen have replied. Just a one line post supporting the idea would put more pressure on the owners.

Tony
Replied by pashmina on 05-Oct-2011 21:50 (Ref 2314464) Report
Hi Tony...I enjoyed reading your post and I agree with a lot you said....and think you put some serious thought into it

Here's hoping Admin come in with a response soon
Replied by issabella10 on 05-Oct-2011 22:55 (Ref 2314471) Report
"TELEVISION ADVERTISING."

Hi Tony

2 weeks ago on a Tuesday night , 9.07pm on Fox8 ( Austar) there was an ad from carsales.com.au , a rather badly put together add which starts of in such a way it really doesn't grab your attention just a couple of people talking 'conversation wise"  . 
That's not so much the problem - on the bottom of the screen were 3 other affiliated websites ( or carsales.com.au and 2 others) but NOT quicksales.com

Now either these are old ( very old pre - quicksales) commercials and cannot be edited for whatever reason or there simply isn't a drive to add one line of text into the ad , but what an opportunity lost .
Replied by magnolia134 on 05-Oct-2011 23:05 (Ref 2314472) Report
Tony

Whilst I admire your passion there is a basic flaw in your argument.

The reason the owners of Quicksales do not advertise the site is simple - it doesn't make enough money. There are no listing fees and a very small sale fee. Hardly enough to cover the cost of the bandwidth or pay their techies.

Now ebay have introduced no listing fees (up to a point) BUT they have hiked up their sale fee to nearly 8 per cent, that's not an inconsiderable amount. The sale fee here is 4.5% of sale price (minimum 0.25c). Last time I looked, the cost of a shop over there is around 4 times the cost of a shop here. 

The only way that QS would ever be able to afford advertising is if (1) they charged a listing fee and/or (2) they charged higher sale fees. If that happened there would be a huge outcry and a large number of selllers would leave. It would certainly make me stop and think hard about listing here.
Replied by thedevilsspawn on 06-Oct-2011 05:04 (Ref 2314485) Report
Even if Quicksales were to attract big brand Australian sellers that provide great customer service and could bring a large customer base with them, the majority of the site wouldn't purchase unless items were under $10.00 and offering free postage. Why I don't support replica counterfeit items, I don't believe this is the problem with Quicksales, and if they were to continuously remove all suspect listings, the site would make little to no profit at all. It's the old and worn listings for often second hand items that are listed at unrealistic prices that I can purchase brand new, for far less.

Just because you don't have a use for the item any longer, doesn't mean it's worthy of selling either. I would like to see MORE quality products and handmade crafts, rather than used erasers for $4.00 or a child's kmart tshirt listed for the bargain price of $26.00. It's unrealistic. Just something to ponder.
Replied by fluffythings on 06-Oct-2011 08:29 (Ref 2314505) Report

Maybe they could advertise on Shop-a-Docket.

Valerie
Replied by waxes on 06-Oct-2011 10:40 (Ref 2314519) Report
Simple business logic really, if you want something to grow you have to invest in it , no point saying it makes no money so they won't invest. I seen the same ad on tv, all their other sites were mentioned except for quicksales. Sadly the writing is on the wall long term, unless some dollars are thrown at quicksales.
Replied by waxes on 06-Oct-2011 10:55 (Ref 2314521) Report
Maybe a small listing fee to start off to help offset a little bit for advertising to get some commitment from both quicksales and its members. It does work both ways. Or maybe reduce FVF a fraction and also charge a listing fee, that would generate some up front capital with the lisiting fees for advertising purposes. Something has to be done, whinging gets you nowhere, action and a plan for the future of the site and its sellers is what is required.
Replied by quickbuys on 06-Oct-2011 14:16 (Ref 2314551) Report
...all their other sites were mentioned except for quicksales."
unbelievable !!!

maybe a competition sent to admin will change their minds re suitable advertising.
Replied by brerrabbit on 06-Oct-2011 14:19 (Ref 2314552) Report
Monty, a better search engine would help you eliminate a lot of the imitation/fake items and find what you're after.  I've been asking for the search engine to be fixed for a long time now but they just don't seem interested.  When we can put minus words in a search then I'll be looking for a lot more items to buy here but at the moment it's not worth the effort of wading through hundreds or thousands of irrelevant items on the chance of finding what I'm after.
Replied by remaynerecycled on 06-Oct-2011 15:27 (Ref 2314564) Report
I think it's really important now to get the Facebook link working properly. While some will wander off and make their own pages to save on fvf, the majority who have large numbers of stock here will be happy if they can post a couple of links a day and get people browsing and buying stock over here.

Clue people, posting on your own wall isn't really going to make you rich. A step by step from admin on how to make the most of the selling groups on there with a woking image link back to products here would probably be the only thing that i can see to really pick up traffic and sales super fast.

Ebay and other sites have the links going on fine, but I don't think, could be wrong, that they've explained to members how to go out and promote their items and or shop here to the general population rather than their nearest and dearest.

At the very least, they need to get off their butts and actively promote that QS page across Facebook rather than waiting for the people to come to them. Get active on selling and buying groups, get into the business promotion groups, pick up NEW people looking to sell and buy on there.

If members, ex and current on there could see the site being promoted that way they'd reconsider the amount of listings on here and the potential that the site has.

oh and I'm not prepared to do it for them, and I'm guessing a lot of others aren't either, until I see some action from the admin to show that they're actually trying to do the same. I know it sounds harsh and horrible but there was a time when the admin valued their members and worked along side of them to help promote the site and make it a success. The site has grown and changes have been made in things like ownership and possibly goals, but a bit of rolling up their sleeves and getting down and dirty with the natives would at least boost the morale here if nothing else.


Replied by issabella10 on 06-Oct-2011 17:17 (Ref 2314594) Report
The FB link appears to be working ok now , has been for a few weeks since the issue was brought up . Unless I'm just lucky and it's been working ok for me

Replied by remaynerecycled on 06-Oct-2011 17:27 (Ref 2314598) Report
lol I'll just shut up then. Haven't tested it. Still seeing people putting links rather than pics on FB. So what's their deal?
Replied by lane-ends on 13-Oct-2011 13:26 (Ref 2315473) Report
So what if admin make a policy decision that the cost and effort to make this site viable is just not worth it. will they shut the doors overnight with a sorry closed for business statement, and sellers with thousands of listing will have them, along with all the detail,s just disapear into nowhere... That will leave some angry members.
Replied by remaynerecycled on 13-Oct-2011 14:56 (Ref 2315480) Report
Maybe. Can they sell it off again with the name change?
Replied by remaynerecycled on 14-Oct-2011 20:21 (Ref 2315694) Report
an eccentric but lovable millionaire with a grudge against Ebay who wants to pour money into an auction site to make it no 1????

ooo where's Dick Smith when you need him? Although the name might be a bit much.
Replied by lane-ends on 15-Oct-2011 11:08 (Ref 2315754) Report
QuickVirginsales.com.au  now that would grab attention.!
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